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		<title>Comment on DotSpots, a cool use of Mozilla technology by aaronlev</title>
		<link>http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/dotspots-a-cool-use-of-mozilla-technology/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>aaronlev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the extension GWT including a lot of the same code the website uses.

I&#039;m sure there will be many other cases where a Firefox extension should be an advanced version of what&#039;s capable on a web app. Using GWT and the GWT XPCOM bindings could be a good choice there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the extension GWT including a lot of the same code the website uses.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there will be many other cases where a Firefox extension should be an advanced version of what&#8217;s capable on a web app. Using GWT and the GWT XPCOM bindings could be a good choice there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DotSpots, a cool use of Mozilla technology by David Bolter</title>
		<link>http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/dotspots-a-cool-use-of-mozilla-technology/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bolter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations! So that&#039;s what the &quot;dot&quot; is all about. Did you code your extension in GWT? I&#039;m interested to hear more about the GWT XPCOM bindings and where else you think those might be useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations! So that&#8217;s what the &#8220;dot&#8221; is all about. Did you code your extension in GWT? I&#8217;m interested to hear more about the GWT XPCOM bindings and where else you think those might be useful.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Goodbye IBM by a11ysoft</title>
		<link>http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/goodbye-ibm/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>a11ysoft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;IAccessible2...&lt;/strong&gt;

IAccessible2 - What&#8217;s next?
Over the last three years I developed the IAccessible2 interface, defining how screen readers and a11y enabled applications interact with each other.  IAccessible2 is often called IA2.  IA2 extends MSAA allowing addi.....</description>
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<p>IAccessible2 &#8211; What&#8217;s next?<br />
Over the last three years I developed the IAccessible2 interface, defining how screen readers and a11y enabled applications interact with each other.  IAccessible2 is often called IA2.  IA2 extends MSAA allowing addi&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to hack your app to make contenteditable work by sky</title>
		<link>http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/how-to-hack-your-app-to-make-contenteditable-work/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be really nice if they focused on this instead of reimplementing doing gigantic workarounds using Canvas, too:
http://labs.mozilla.com/projects/bespin/

The way I think about this, is that contenteditable is really about making web content a first-class object for web *users*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be really nice if they focused on this instead of reimplementing doing gigantic workarounds using Canvas, too:<br />
<a href="http://labs.mozilla.com/projects/bespin/" rel="nofollow">http://labs.mozilla.com/projects/bespin/</a></p>
<p>The way I think about this, is that contenteditable is really about making web content a first-class object for web *users*.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to hack your app to make contenteditable work by Neil Rashbrook</title>
		<link>http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/how-to-hack-your-app-to-make-contenteditable-work/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Rashbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 10:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just contenteditable; I know of a regression that affects Thunderbird message compose which broke between 1.8 and 1.9 yet isn&#039;t going to block 1.9.1 (which Thunderbird wants to release from). Someone did try to find a regression range but it&#039;s unclear :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just contenteditable; I know of a regression that affects Thunderbird message compose which broke between 1.8 and 1.9 yet isn&#8217;t going to block 1.9.1 (which Thunderbird wants to release from). Someone did try to find a regression range but it&#8217;s unclear <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Tools for accessible math conversion? by Michael Whapples</title>
		<link>http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/tools-for-accessible-math-conversion/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Whapples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My previous posting didn&#039;t show the element I was meaning the translation library might work on because I included the less than and greater than signs around it and the blog took it as html. I was of course refering to the math tag. Hope that clears it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My previous posting didn&#8217;t show the element I was meaning the translation library might work on because I included the less than and greater than signs around it and the blog took it as html. I was of course refering to the math tag. Hope that clears it up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tools for accessible math conversion? by Michael Whapples</title>
		<link>http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/tools-for-accessible-math-conversion/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Whapples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming back to this some time later, I have been thinking what could be done. If taking a two stage approach, what have we now and where would we like to go. Now I don&#039;t know how screen readers interface with browsers, but I hope the following idea could fit.

Possibly a plugin for firefox and may be other browsers could be developed to be able to convert TeX to mathml and allow that mathml to be passed to a screen reader. For this I am thinking of snuggletex http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/snuggletex (I don&#039;t know how complete the TeX support is but it certainly can deal with TeX fragments such as those in a equation image&#039;s alt text). The second part of the solution would be a library for converting mathml to Braille and speech, designed in such a way it could be used by various applications. May be this part would be python written so that it could be intergrated into NVDA and orca easily and with the COM scripting of window-eyes possibly there as well. This library possibly should take in strings of mathml and/or an object DOM and should be able to work on fragments as well eg. from the  element inwards.

The advantages I can think of for the above is that having the TeX to mathml translation in a browser plugin then the screen reader/library part only needs to deal with mathml which is where I think we should be going. The library component for inclusion in screen readers might be useable else where eg. in a document Braille translator, and can be reused by many products.

The question of whether we should support TeX, well my view is it would be like webvisum (eg. webvisum with captures), we may not support people using what we are working around but unfortunately it is there and so we would like the access and so could do with a solution.

One disadvantage I can possibly think of is that object navigation of maths might be lost if the library returns strings from the input (eg. strings won&#039;t contain enough information to jump to denominators, etc).

Any thoughts. What might help on the library translation side, eg. liblouisxml might do Braille (although I am unsure about the BAUK possibilities of liblouisxml) and what about the speech output?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming back to this some time later, I have been thinking what could be done. If taking a two stage approach, what have we now and where would we like to go. Now I don&#8217;t know how screen readers interface with browsers, but I hope the following idea could fit.</p>
<p>Possibly a plugin for firefox and may be other browsers could be developed to be able to convert TeX to mathml and allow that mathml to be passed to a screen reader. For this I am thinking of snuggletex <a href="http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/snuggletex" rel="nofollow">http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/snuggletex</a> (I don&#8217;t know how complete the TeX support is but it certainly can deal with TeX fragments such as those in a equation image&#8217;s alt text). The second part of the solution would be a library for converting mathml to Braille and speech, designed in such a way it could be used by various applications. May be this part would be python written so that it could be intergrated into NVDA and orca easily and with the COM scripting of window-eyes possibly there as well. This library possibly should take in strings of mathml and/or an object DOM and should be able to work on fragments as well eg. from the  element inwards.</p>
<p>The advantages I can think of for the above is that having the TeX to mathml translation in a browser plugin then the screen reader/library part only needs to deal with mathml which is where I think we should be going. The library component for inclusion in screen readers might be useable else where eg. in a document Braille translator, and can be reused by many products.</p>
<p>The question of whether we should support TeX, well my view is it would be like webvisum (eg. webvisum with captures), we may not support people using what we are working around but unfortunately it is there and so we would like the access and so could do with a solution.</p>
<p>One disadvantage I can possibly think of is that object navigation of maths might be lost if the library returns strings from the input (eg. strings won&#8217;t contain enough information to jump to denominators, etc).</p>
<p>Any thoughts. What might help on the library translation side, eg. liblouisxml might do Braille (although I am unsure about the BAUK possibilities of liblouisxml) and what about the speech output?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Frank Hecker, Catalyst for the Web by David Bolter</title>
		<link>http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/frank-hecker-catalyst-for-the-web/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bolter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally chiming in here. I&#039;m so thrilled with the support from the Mozilla Foundation and Frank Hecker. The FOSS accessibility ecosystem wouldn&#039;t be the same without them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally chiming in here. I&#8217;m so thrilled with the support from the Mozilla Foundation and Frank Hecker. The FOSS accessibility ecosystem wouldn&#8217;t be the same without them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Frank Hecker, Catalyst for the Web by Ken Saunders</title>
		<link>http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/frank-hecker-catalyst-for-the-web/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic news and a well deserved award indeed.

Thanks for posting this Aaron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic news and a well deserved award indeed.</p>
<p>Thanks for posting this Aaron.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Frank Hecker, Catalyst for the Web by Victor</title>
		<link>http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/frank-hecker-catalyst-for-the-web/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly deserved. A lot of accessibility-related projects would not happen if not for Frank&#039;s final approval stamp. :) So thanks, Frank. Rock on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly deserved. A lot of accessibility-related projects would not happen if not for Frank&#8217;s final approval stamp. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  So thanks, Frank. Rock on!</p>
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